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Author:  D_Black [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  How far can they go?
Random thought...
How far does a prefect's jurisdiction reach? Hogsmead? Every area on the server? Just curious.
Author:  Professor Chaos [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:30 pm ]
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The school and its grounds only. In theory, they are hall monitors.
Author:  Templar9 [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:34 pm ]
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What Nina said. They have no power outside the school grounds.
Author:  Eryllian [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:11 pm ]
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Yeah, I would have thought that obvious. A prefect only has authority within the school grounds. They aren't law enforcement or anything, just hall monitors in the school.
Author:  Calan [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:55 pm ]
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Authority to do what? Liss would report someone for breaking school rules in China, if the rule applied there.
Author:  D_Black [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:07 pm ]
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Calan wrote:
Authority to do what? Liss would report someone for breaking school rules in China, if the rule applied there.


From what I've read Liss's authority ends at the Hogwarts gate. So writing about events that happen outside of school is pointless. >.>
Author:  Nikblade [ Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:01 pm ]
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How far does a prefect's authority go? They have very little authority.
People (especially the prefects themselves!) like to act as if they do or
should, but they really don't.

There are exceptions. From what we can tell by reading the books,
prefects -do- seem to have authority of some kind over their own house.
They are also the ones given authority in special cases when there's an
emergency at the school.

As for reporting things... a prefect can report whatever he/she wants.

If a prefect sees a student being beaten in Diagon Alley, he/she has every
right to report that to professors (and hopefully to go to the aid of the
student if he/she isn't underage!!).

If a prefect spots a student outside after dark, he/she has every right to
report that, as well (keep in mind that prefects aren't allowed outside the
castle after dark! They'd have to turn themselves in to report anything!).

So yeah. They can report whatever they want. They have no authority
anyway, so there's no question of "how far does it extend?"
Author:  Eryllian [ Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:20 pm ]
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Well, in the case of something like that happening outside of school, it is under the Ministry's jurisdiction. Since the school is a private institution, it could choose to expel you if your behaviour was out of line with what they expect of their students, but as for actual punishment, it would be the Ministry that punishes any illegal actions outside of school, not the school administration. Therefore, a prefect's authority does not really extend beyond the bounds of the Hogwarts grounds. Sure, a prefect could report a student for being outside the school after dark, but as Nik said, that would involve reporting themselves as well. When it comes to actual illegal activity then anyone could report that to the proper authorities and prefects have no more authority than any other person. Sure, a prefect could report a student's actions in China to the Chinese Wizarding Authorities, but not to the school, and so could any other person. The best you could hope for is that any authorities might have a little more faith in your word, because you are someone who is trusted to be a prefect, but that's it really. It is a position within the school and barely one within it at that. Outside the school the best it can do is help your credentials. The school would have to step over a very delicate line if it tried to punish the student for doing something outside of school in anyway besides expelling or suspending him for behaviour unbecoming of one of their students.
Author:  Nikblade [ Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:02 pm ]
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1.) You can't go to the actual China on WoHP. China on the mod is in the
library.

2.) I think the school would handle a conflict between two students. In
highschool IRL, if you beat a kid up after school, even off of school
grounds, you can still get detention/suspended for it. That and it makes
things awful easy for us.
Author:  D_Black [ Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:24 pm ]
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Nikblade wrote:
2.) I think the school would handle a conflict between two students. In
highschool IRL, if you beat a kid up after school, even off of school
grounds, you can still get detention/suspended for it.


Which is stupid. A school being liable for a student until he reaches home or whatever. Once the kid is X amount of feet from school property the kid should fend for them self. IMO that rule/law was made by parents who are too stupid to know who to blame. So they make the school liable for it.
Author:  Otherwhere [ Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:55 pm ]
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D_Black wrote:
Nikblade wrote:
2.) I think the school would handle a conflict between two students. In
highschool IRL, if you beat a kid up after school, even off of school
grounds, you can still get detention/suspended for it.


Which is stupid. A school being liable for a student until he reaches home or whatever. Once the kid is X amount of feet from school property the kid should fend for them self. IMO that rule/law was made by parents who are too stupid to know who to blame. So they make the school liable for it.


"But he ~stabbed~ my son!"
"Look, it isn't our problem."

In other words, Hogwarts is a bording school. It is a place where students live until the holidays. It isn't like high school in the US or what ever. If you beat some one at the shops then come back to the school where both of you pretty much live, expect some one to want a word with you. I mean, not only would beating some one be illegal (assault), but if you are going to be living in the same building, the teachers will not take kindly to trouble.
Author:  Calan [ Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:16 am ]
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Nikblade wrote:
1.) You can't go to the actual China on WoHP. China on the mod is in the
library.


It's a figure of speech, as in "really far far away." But yeah, that's basically what I'm saying. Prefects don't really have authority at the school, so there is no authority to extend beyond the school. They do however have duties, mostly to simply report. Those duties may not officially extend beyond the school, but I doubt the professors would mind them reporting incidents that warrant a report, and in fact may be disappointed in the prefect for not reporting something even if it was outside of the school grounds.
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